Update:
Lycoming Service Instruction
1141_A has a wonderful collection of useful information
regarding Lycoming ring gears. The instructions detail the
replacement procedure but there's also a nice table on the
second page that lists all ring gear P/N's and their
compatible ring gear support assemblies. DO NOT mix and
match ring gears and ring gear support assemblies.
Why? Read on...
Ever wonder how to tell the
difference between the two Lycoming ring gear types without
having to count every tooth?
Here's how to tell at a glance:
122
Tooth |
149
Tooth |
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Note the "V"
geometry between teeth |
Note the "U"
geometry between teeth |
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Occaisionally, an experimental
aircraft builder, given a choice of ring gears, will inquire
as to which one is "better" generally wondering if
the reduced number of teeth of the 122 would allow a faster
cranking RPM, etc. Well the answer is "absolutely
not." You must also consider the number of teeth on
the starter drive pinion will be different when matched to
each ring gear and effectively, the difference ends in a near
perfect wash.
The rhyme or reason as to why
Lycoming chose one ring gear over the other for particular
engines remains a complete mystery to all. One might
attempt to make the argument that the sturdier teeth on the
122 tooth gear was selected for the 720 models. But the
same person would be at a loss to explain why the same ring
gear was also used nearly exclusively on O-235 and O-290
engines and occasionally on -320 and -360 motors as
well.
Here's what we have experienced
broken down by engine series:
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235 - 122 Tooth
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290- 122 Tooth
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320 - Varies. Older
aircraft seem to have an increased likelihood of having a
122-Tooth ring gear while more recent aircraft might have
a 149-Tooth ring gear on 320-series engines.
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360 - Varies but usually 149
Tooth
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540 - 149 Tooth (but there
are exceptions)
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720 - 122 Tooth
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The bottom line: COUNT 'EM!
We sell a starter for either gear. But just because your
aircraft (or engine) is SUPPOSED to have a certain ring gear
doesn't necessarily mean it does. You need to count them
to confirm and order the starter to match. The first
three numbers of a Sky-Tec Lycoming starter model will always
be the number of teeth on the ring gear it is compatible with.
Why you cannot shrink a
149-tooth ring gear on a hub designed for a 122-tooth gear
On left: Proper 149-tooth Gear (PN 72556 or
10551) shrunk onto
proper ring gear support assembly (PN 74414, 76628,
10552, or 11837)
On Right: Proper 122-tooth Gear (PN 60882) shrunk
onto
proper ring gear support assembly (PN 68867 or 76899,
or 76944) |
What happens when a 149-tooth gear is shrunk onto a
PN 6867 ring gear support assembly.
See how the ring gear face sits further aft (upward
in the photo) than the support assembly? |
Proper 122-tooth Gear (PN 60882) shrunk onto
proper ring gear support assembly (PN
68867).
See how the face of each is flush with the
other?
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Proper 149-tooth Gear (PN 72556) shrunk onto
proper ring gear support assembly (PN
74414).
See how the face of each is flush with the
other? |
Why it's a problem: Note the difference in:
a) The flange thickness, and
b) The depth of each type ring gear. |
Another view of the difference between the two
assemblies:
149-tooth ring gear/support assembly on left
122-tooth ring gear/support assembly on right. |
So What's compatible with
what?
We have yet to find a comprehensive list of ring
gear/support assembly compatibilities. SI1141_A does
list the following but these appear to be a mash-up of
assemblies of the sub-assemblies (ring gear + ring gear
support assembly) P/N's (not terribly helpful in this
context). Why are there so many!? Can't say
either. But for what it's worth...
Ring Gear and Support Assembly Part
No. |
Gear Tooth Pitch |
Ring Gear and Support Assembly Part
No. |
Gear Tooth Pitch |
Ring Gear and Support Assembly Part
No. |
Gear Tooth Pitch |
68867 |
10/12 |
31M22194 |
12/14 |
LW-11572 |
12/14 |
74321 |
10/12 |
31M22246 |
12/14 |
LW-12226* |
12/14 |
74460 |
10/12 |
31M22350 |
12/14 |
LW-12227 |
12/14 |
75550 |
10/12 |
31M22782 |
12/14 |
LW-13381* |
12/14 |
76173 |
10/12 |
31M22972 |
12/14 |
LW-13382* |
12/14 |
76944 |
10/12 |
31M22993 |
12/14 |
LW-14167 |
12/14 |
78652 |
10/12 |
77236 |
12/14 |
LW-15882 |
12/14 |
LW-11380 |
10/12 |
72245 |
12/14 |
LW-16064 |
12/14 |
LW-13675 |
10/12 |
72899 |
12/14 |
LW-16470 |
12/14 |
LW-14011 |
10/12 |
74329 |
12/14 |
LW-16471 |
12/14 |
LW-18695 |
10/12 |
74414 |
12/14 |
LW-16581 |
12/14 |
LW-19151 |
10/12 |
74977 |
12/14 |
LW-16635 |
12/14 |
31M19420 |
12/14 |
75030 |
12/14 |
LW-16795 |
12/14 |
31M19717 |
12/14 |
75221 |
12/14 |
LW-16904 |
12/14 |
31M19861 |
12/14 |
76628 |
12/14 |
LW-18506* |
12/14 |
31M21308 |
12/14 |
74977 |
12/14 |
LW-18633 |
12/14 |
31M21951 |
12/14 |
LW-10184 |
12/14 |
LW-18736 |
12/14 |
31M21994 |
12/14 |
LW-10552* |
12/14 |
LW-18768 |
12/14 |
31M22028* |
12/14 |
LW-11151 |
12/14 |
LW-19163 |
12/14 |
31M22045 |
12/14 |
LW-11519* |
12/14 |
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* Reverse rotation |
Why it's a problem with SOME
starters, but not necessarily OTHERS:
When Sky-Tec designed the 149-NL
starters, we worked very closely with Lycoming to "toe
the line" - that is, what we refer to as the
"DMZ" - the imaginary line a starter pinion should
never cross. Sky-Tec holds the forward location of all
NL starter pinions RIGHT AT (within 0.010") of that
line. Doing so ensures the NL engages AS MUCH ring gear
as possible when it is engaged. All Bendix-type starters
and some other Sky-Tec starters (LS/PM models for instance) do
not toe that line as closely. So in some cases, the
problem of a mismatched ring gear/ring gear support assembly
is ONLY noticed after switching to an NL-type starter.
Solutions: 1) Use the proper combination of ring
gear/ring gear support assembly for your engine, 2) use a
starter that allows more forgiveness with regard to
compensating for the mismatch.
Why this problem is PREVALENT
with Superior Ring Gear Assemblies:
It would appear that Superior
reverse engineered the 60882-type ring gear support assembly
(for 122-tooth ring gears) when they manufactured
and PMA certified Superior Ring Gear Support Assembly PN
SL77579-1 Rev.11 (for 149-tooth ring gears). Unfortunately,
when pairing those
ring gear support assemblies with 149-tooth ring gears, the ring gear rests further aft than Lycoming
specification and therefore tends to crash the front face of
NL-type starters by a mere couple thousandths of an
inch. Other starter models tend to stand back
sufficiently from the ring gear so the mismatch is not made
known. But the NL "hugs the line" defined by
Lycoming and the mismatched ring gear/support assembly causes
a microscopic conflict as a result.
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